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[kcb500]

I think it was Dustpelt. He would do anything to get rid of a kittypet.

[Mountainfur]

No, it had to be Ashfur he would want to get back at Squirrelflight, what better way than to kill her father

[kcb500]

But that would be too obvious. And it would make Brambleclaw leader.

[Mountainfur]

True, but I still think it was Ashfur

[kcb500]

Ashfur is loyal. If he wanted to kill someone it would be brambleclaw. This is the most reasonable explanation I could find on a different website someone said.
Those of you believing it was Ashfur, this is exactly what Erin Hunter wanted. Tricking people into making the traitor is Ashfur, because it's so obvious, so you wouldn't expected who the real traitor will be.


The plan was to kill Firestar, not Brambleclaw. Hawkfrost wanted Firestar dead so Brambleclaw can become leader so he and his brother will rule the forest after they kill the other three leaders and force the clans to reunited under their ( Hawkfrost and Brambleclaw's ) paws.

Do you honestly think Ashfur will help Hawkfrost in killing Firestar, who happens to be not only the leader, but the cat Ashfur knew since he was a kit. How could he possibly help kill the cat who happens to be the father of Squirrelflight? The only thing Ashfur will gain from this is Brambleclaw becoming leader and pushing him around even more, and Sandstorm, Leafpool, and Squirrelflight going into depression after the death of Firestar.

Even if Hawkfrost tricked Ashfur into believing he can help him get rid of Brambleclaw, why would Ashfur even go with the plan anyways? He will kill a cat that is Squirrelflight's mate, that will driven her into sorrow and not want to be with anyone. Ashfur won't take a cat away like that over a stupid love drama, he might hold a grudge against Brambleclaw, but it isn't worth it to kill his 'rival' just to get his girl back. I don't think Squirrelflight would've wanted to be with Ashfur after Brambleclaw's death, she is in too much pain and sorrow to love another cat.

Also, Ashfur been around Squirrelfight long enough that she doesn't trust Hawkfrost at all. He knows there's a good reason why Squirrelflight would hate this cat so much she won't even be with Brambleclaw because of his feelings toward his brother. Ashfur could probably not trusted Hawkfrost a bit after hearing Squirrelflight rant about him. This could be another reason why Ashfur wouldn't slide with Hawkfrost, because in a way, he will be betraying Squirrelflight who hated this cat.

I believe Ashfur isn't the traitor, he's too loyal to his clan to help kill a cat and he won't betray Squirrelflight by working with a cat she doesn't trust from her heart.



I heard a theory that Dustpelt could be the traitor. Why not? After all, Dustpelt was on Tigerclaw's side. Not only that, but Dustpelt hates kitty-pets and non-Thunderclan cats in the Thunderclan, it disgusted him that he has to hunt for food and protect kitty-pets, half-clanner, and a cat from the mountains, all because Firestar says it's fine that they can stay and leech off of them.

Dustpelt could've worked with Hawkfrost to help plan to kill Firestar. Hawkfrost tricked Dustpelt into that if Firestar is dead, Brambleclaw will rise to the power and make sure the Thunderclan will be a pure blooded clan, no kitty-pets, no half-clanner, no loners either. It will all be gone when Brambleclaw takes on leadership and make Thunderclan how it was when Dustpelt was an apprentice. All cats will follow the Warrior's Code and non-Thunderclan cats will be driven off the territory for good.

How can Dustpelt reject to that? It was a perfect plan, no more kitty-pets and loners leeching off of them and Thunderclan will get a cat who will actually keep things strict, as an oppose to Firestar's softness. Thunderclan won't be known as the "Kitty-pet Clan" anymore, they will be freice and strong as they were originally had been. They will scare the other clans into believing they aren't softies, that they will tear off their ears.


I think the traitor should be the one who wants Firestar dead, to have cats who don't belong there driven off, as oppose over getting revenge over some stupid love that wasn't going to work out in the first place.

[Mountainfur]

Dustpelt is a loyal cat he has proved that multiple times and so I say, that he couldn't have helped Hawkfrost, just because he once sided with Tigerstar means nothing, thats like saying that Longtail did it, he sided with Tigerstar once, so why not help his other son, so what that he is blind just judging Dustpelt on the fact that he looked up to Tigerstar isn't right he even said in book three that he didn't want to join him after all he did, and I don't care, I still think it was Ashfur, its my opinion

[kcb500]

Alright, but I still think that would be too obvious...

[Mountainfur]

...Of course I bet Mousefur could have done it too....

[kcb500]

That's someone I hadn't thought of.

[Mountainfur]

Yea, because she did say that all the kittypets and rogues weakened Thunderclan, so like why not get rid of the prime reason for the problem

[tigerspirit]

I have to say Thornclaw. I don't trust him.

[kcb500]

Why? What do he do?

[tigerspirit]

I don't know... He seems to nice.

[Leafstripe]

I think It's Dustpelt. Do you guys remember how he followed Tigerstar in the first series? I bet the only reason that he stayed in ThunderClan is to finish what Tigerstar started. When Hawkfrost came along, being related to Tigerstar and all, they probably got together and agreed to "avenge" Tigerstar, kill the one he wanted to kill, even if he wasn't the one to kill Tigerstar in the first place.

[Mountainfur]

Why? Dustpelt may seem like a cranky cat but you have to realize after Tigerstar was banished Dustpelt realized what type of cat Tigerstar was, and he knew that he wasn't that. Dustpelt also began to respect Firestar after that. Like I said before if you believe it was Dustpelt you mind as well blame Longtail as well